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PODCAST [35] How singing and songwriting can help new mums experiencing mental health problems – Penny Osmond, workshop and choir leader

In this episode, I talk with Penny Osmond, workshop and choir leader, about her singing work with new mums who have perinatal mental health disorders. We discuss the first randomised control research in this area, led by Professors Rosie Perkins and Daisy Fancourt, which found that singing could relieve moderate to severe post-natal depression at double the rate of control groups. We also hear about Penny’s wider music and perinatal mental health programmes including Songs from Home – addressing social isolation in new mums through online songwriting, and Music at Heart, singing with mothers referred through a hospital.

You can listen now below, or on Spotify (search for the name) and iTunes or your favourite podcast app.

What’s in this episode?

We talk about:

  • Post natal depression: what it is, how many people it affects, and which groups it affects
  • What the randomised control trial involved, and the results of the research, and how the work has developed since including …
  • Online songwriting work with new mums who self-referred through the Happyity app
  • Continued research with the Royal College of Music and Imperial College Centre for Performance Science
  • Work with Creative Futures and St Mary’s Hospital, Paddington

Links for this episode

Penny Osmond on Twitter

Music and Motherhood randomized control study, Royal College of Music and Imperial College Centre for Performance Science

Music and Motherhood video

Professor Rosie Perkins

Daisy Fancourt

Spitalfields Music Trainee Music Leader Scheme

Zoe Palmer

Songs from Home – research available soon

Creative Futures –   Music at Heart

Pram Chorus

Breathe Arts Health Research

Rosie Aderdiran

About the music for education & wellbeing podcast

Listen in each month to get ideas, inspiration and practical advice from people involved in music education, community music, music therapy and more. Learn how you can break down barriers to music, through communications, advocacy and inclusive practice.

The music for the podcast was created by Otis Hynds, a young person working with Noise Solution.


Transcript for the Music for education & wellbeing podcast [35] TRANSCRIPT: Penny Osmond, workshop and choir leader


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